{"id":23910,"date":"2025-09-12T21:51:36","date_gmt":"2025-09-12T18:51:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/alorwahalwuthqa.com\/?post_type=the_postes&#038;p=23910"},"modified":"2026-04-23T16:18:17","modified_gmt":"2026-04-23T13:18:17","slug":"b-we-constantly-hear-the-statement-zaidis-are-mutazili-infundamentals-and-hanafi-in-jurisprudence-is-this-correct","status":"publish","type":"the_postes","link":"https:\/\/alorwahalwuthqa.com\/en\/the_postes\/an-introduction-to-zaydism-its-origins-and-the-issues-surrounding-it\/on-claims-and-responses-regarding-zaidiyyah\/b-we-constantly-hear-the-statement-zaidis-are-mutazili-infundamentals-and-hanafi-in-jurisprudence-is-this-correct\/","title":{"rendered":"B. We constantly hear the statement: &#8220;Zaidis are Mu&#8217;tazili infundamentals and Hanafi in jurisprudence.&#8221; Is this correct?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Answer:<br>There is a convergence between Zaidiyyah and the schools you<br>mentioned. If the speaker intends that there is a resemblance between<br>Zaidiyyah and Mu&#8217;tazilism in fundamentals, and between Zaidiyyah<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">and the Hanafi school in jurisprudence, then there is no harm in that,<br>and it is not a defect. Schools of thought naturally converge with one<br>another\u2014but through agreement, not imitation.<br>As for the convergence with the Mu&#8217;tazila: The founder of the<br>Mu&#8217;tazila, Wasil ibn &#8216;Ata&#8217;, was a student of Abu Hashim &#8216;Abdullah ibn<br>Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyya (the son of Imam Ali, peace be upon<br>him). Ibn Abi al-Hadid al-Mu&#8217;tazili said in Sharh Nahj al-Balaghah,<br>while establishing that the source of all religious knowledge is Imam<br>Ali (peace be upon him): &#8220;As for the Mu&#8217;tazila, who are the people of<br>divine unity and justice and the masters of rational investigation, and<br>from whom people learned this discipline\u2014they are his students and<br>companions [i.e., of Imam Ali]. For their senior figure, Wasil ibn &#8216;Ata&#8217;,<br>was a student of Abu Hashim &#8216;Abdullah ibn Muhammad ibn al-<br>Hanafiyya, and Abu Hashim was a student of his father, and his father<br>was a student of Imam Ali (peace be upon him).&#8221; So, if this claimant<br>were to say that the Mu&#8217;tazila are Zaidi, he would have some basis\u2014<br>though it is not entirely accurate. Furthermore, Imam Zaid (peace be<br>upon him) was older than Wasil (born 75 AH vs. 80 AH), possessed<br>greater knowledge, and had a more profound impact than Wasil. In<br>fact, Wasil would direct his questions to Imam Zaid (peace be upon<br>him). Among the collected epistles of Imam Zaid, there is a response<br>from him answering a question from Wasil concerning the Caliphate.<br>So, how can the claim that the one questioned was influenced by the<br>questioner be valid?!<br>As for the convergence with the Hanafi school: Its origin lies in the fact<br>that Abu Hanifah (may Allah have mercy on him) studied under Ja&#8217;far<br>al-Sadiq (peace be upon him). He used to say, &#8220;If not for those two<br>years, al-Nu&#8217;man [i.e., himself] would have perished,&#8221; referring to the<br>two years he studied under Ja&#8217;far. This is a well-known, uncontested<br>fact.<br>We have given this answer assuming the best intentions of the speaker.<br>However, in reality, we know that this statement is often not innocent,<br>as some intend by it nothing but to discredit Zaidiyyah by alleging it<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">lacks originality and that its doctrines are borrowed from here and<br>there. Others resort to it to evade the burden of proof. When they see<br>the evidences mandating adherence to the Pure Household (Ahl al-<br>Bayt), leaving them no valid excuse for abandoning it, they resort to<br>casting doubt on the very existence of an independent school of the<br>Household by portraying Zaidiyyah as a follower, not a leader. So,<br>when told about the Prophet&#8217;s (peace be upon him and his family)<br>saying: &#8220;I have left among you that which if you hold fast to, you will<br>never go astray\u2026 [referring to the Quran and his Progeny,&#8221; they ask,<br>&#8220;And where is the Progeny?&#8221; If told, &#8220;Here they are, the Zaidis,&#8221; they<br>retort, &#8220;These are Mu&#8217;tazilis or Jarudis.&#8221;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Answer:There is a convergence between Zaidiyyah and the schools youmentioned. If the speaker intends that there is a resemblance betweenZaidiyyah and Mu&#8217;tazilism in fundamentals, and between Zaidiyyah and the Hanafi school in jurisprudence, then there is no harm in that,and it is not a defect. Schools of thought naturally converge with oneanother\u2014but through agreement, not&hellip; <a class=\"more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/alorwahalwuthqa.com\/en\/the_postes\/an-introduction-to-zaydism-its-origins-and-the-issues-surrounding-it\/on-claims-and-responses-regarding-zaidiyyah\/b-we-constantly-hear-the-statement-zaidis-are-mutazili-infundamentals-and-hanafi-in-jurisprudence-is-this-correct\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">B. We constantly hear the statement: &#8220;Zaidis are Mu&#8217;tazili infundamentals and Hanafi in jurisprudence.&#8221; Is this correct?<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":796,"featured_media":0,"parent":23906,"menu_order":2,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jet_sm_ready_style":"","_jet_sm_style":"","_jet_sm_controls_values":"","_jet_sm_fonts_collection":"","_jet_sm_fonts_links":"","footnotes":""},"post_subject":[],"class_list":["post-23910","the_postes","type-the_postes","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","entry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/alorwahalwuthqa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/the_postes\/23910","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/alorwahalwuthqa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/the_postes"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/alorwahalwuthqa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/the_postes"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/alorwahalwuthqa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/796"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/alorwahalwuthqa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=23910"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/alorwahalwuthqa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/the_postes\/23910\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":23911,"href":"https:\/\/alorwahalwuthqa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/the_postes\/23910\/revisions\/23911"}],"up":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/alorwahalwuthqa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/the_postes\/23906"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/alorwahalwuthqa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=23910"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"post_subject","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/alorwahalwuthqa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/post_subject?post=23910"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}